A thought...
By
Chrissi2:
When Philippe begs Louis to kill him, Louis instead
sends him back to prison. Now I have a question. Do you think that Louis only
did that because he wanted Philippe to suffer or maybe also because he had
still scruple to kill him. Or maybe both? I'm interessted in your opinions. What do you think?
Chrissi
By miriel68:
Now, in this scene I think he definitely does
it because he is evil and the movie intend to bring us always more to this
conclusion (the climax being, of course, his most horrid crime, killing d'Artagnan).
By Chrissi2:
Hm, yes. I always thought the same same way... untill one hour or so
before. LOL. I'm sure the scene actually wants to
present us Louis as an evil guy. There's no doubt. But it is again the way how
Leo played this scene which made me think that there was maybe more behind
Louis' decission than only malice.
miriel68 wrote:
the climax being, of course, his most
horrid crime, killing d'Artagnan
While we have to record that this actually was an
accident, because Louis didn't want to kill D'Artagnan. He wanted to kill
Philippe (what wouldn't be less bad, but we must not mix up things).
Chrissi
By Lady-Janey:
I think he was angry and wanted Philippe to
suffer. He only said this remember when Philippe begged him not to return him
to the prison.
We should also remember that Louis believed in divine right and he may have
been afraid of killing his twin who he also thought shared his royal blood.
Aramis alluded to this earlier in the movie as the reason why Philippe was not
killed in the first place.
By miriel68:
Chrissi2 wrote:
the way how Leo played this scene which
made me think that there was maybe more behind Louis' decission
than only malice.
I wouldn't rely on this, I do remember Wallace's
saying that Leo complained, because he didn't really understand what the scene
was about. Also, I would say that he is hitting the edge already (it begins at
the gate, IMO)and he goes definitely insane in the
final scene.
Chrissi2 wrote:
While we have to record that this
actually was an accident, because Louis didn't want to kill D'Artagnan. He wanted to kill
Philippe
That's true, and as you said, this is just as
bad: he wants to kill his own brother. I was refering,
however, to the movie's logic: it's the audience that has to be convinced that
he is absolute evile and that putting him into the
mask is the right thing to do (not an easy task, considering how charming he
manages to be in spite of his malices). And from OUR
point of view it is more imperdonable that he kills
his own father (he doesn't know it, but WE know it) and the man who has served
him and has protected him all his life, then that he is trying to kill his
brother, who, after all, did take part in a plot against him.
By Chrissi2:
miriel68 wrote:
I do remember
Wallace's saying that Leo complained, because he didn't really understand what
the scene was about.
That's funny because that was maybe his best
scene in the whole movie.
miriel68 wrote:
Also, I would say that
he is hitting the edge already (it begins at the gate, IMO)and
he goes definitely insane in the final scene.
BTW, this is quite understandable in my
opinion. He had just been kidnapped before and actually this is a traumatic
experience. And then he even learns that maybe even his mother was involved in
this conspiracy. So, how would you react? I think Louis' reaction is very
human. I still don't see him as evil in these scenes.
Chrissi
By whitespirit26:
Wow, you both have excellent points. I agree Chrissi,
Louis was through a traumatic experience and that gives his anger a different
edge. Miriel, you also brought up a good point that I
hadn't considered, the idea that Louis had to kill his father in order to make
him less sympathetic. I hadn't considered that, especially not the idea that we
might NEED something to make him less sympathetic. Even so, I was sad at the
end and relieved that neither of them was confined in the mask for the rest of
their lives.
It always killed me that there was no peace between them that we could see. It
haunted me to the point where I would sometimes dream about it. In one dream,
they were both standing at the edge of a waterfall and Louis was walking toward
Philippe in his battle clothes that he wore at the end of the film. I was
standing there in a white dress watching them (fitting that the dress was
white, since I was trying to be the peacemaker) waiting to see how things would
go. As it happened, the dream didn't really end, I guess because I've never
been able to completely construct an ending for them. Sorry, I know that sounds
sappy, but they are haunting characters!
By Chrissi2:
whitespirit26 wrote:
In one dream, they
were both standing at the edge of a waterfall and Louis was walking toward Philippe
in his battle clothes that he wore at the end of the film. I was standing there
in a white dress watching them (fitting that the dress was white, since I was
trying to be the peacemaker) waiting to see how things would go.
Wow! That sounds impressive. It almost sounds a
bit like a vision from the bible. Did you dreamed that while you were sleeping
or was it a day-dream?
Chrissi
By whitespirit26:
Thanks! I was sleeping at night. Dreams can be
quite creative, especially if you're inspired by a powerful story or person :)
By “nicola is addicted to tv”:
I think he just wanted Phillipe
to suffer. He's a bit of a nasty pasty.